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Posted by fooxeh at Aug 7, 2022, 3:23:49 PM

Weird 3D Artifacts
Hello dear Sweet Home 3D Forum members,

i've been working with version 6.6 for a couple months now and recently upgraded to 7.0.

Everything was working fine until today, the Planning view and the 3D view both only show artifacts for the 3D objects.

3D View:
https://imgur.com/Ui6Btum

Planner View:
https://imgur.com/A5r7sMT

I tried reverting to 6.6, same issue.
I created a new plan, and used an old version, both still have the same artifacts.
Also reinstalled the Graphics Card drivers, no change.

Does anyone have an idea? sad

I can install an older Graphics Card driver if that might be the issue, using an AMD Vega.

Posted by hansmex at Aug 8, 2022, 8:16:39 AM

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Maybe not all walls have the same height? In that case strange triangles appear where a ceiling is expected.

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Posted by fooxeh at Aug 8, 2022, 9:40:02 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Yes, I saw those before too.
This is not the same however, if you look at the 3D View, it is totally broken.

And even with a new project, by default the ground is dark-grey.
If i place any object, it becomes a giant black cluster :D

Posted by hansmex at Aug 8, 2022, 10:09:44 AM

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Withoutt acces to the original *.sh3d file it's hard to see what's happening...
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Posted by bartjansen at Aug 9, 2022, 12:46:00 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Same issue here, and for me it was an issue with the latest AMD adrenaline drivers (22.7.1). When I reverted back to 22.5.1 everything started working again.

Posted by Puybaret at Aug 9, 2022, 6:53:23 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Thanks for your feedback. Be sure to report this issue to AMD so they fix it in a future update.
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Posted by fooxeh at Aug 9, 2022, 8:24:24 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Yes, I now also downgraded to 22.5.1 and the Artifacts are gone :)

I reported the issue via the AMD Bug reporter, hope they can fix it :)

Posted by [email protected] at Aug 23, 2022, 7:44:35 PM

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I have installed versione 22.8.1 and have same problem. I have notified AMD of the bug, I have little confidence that they will correct anything.

Posted by anhmax at Aug 30, 2022, 4:13:25 PM

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I have the exact problem. I use AMD with Adrenaline driver 22.8.2, and it cannot show the 3D window. Hope AMD fix it soon
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Posted by cyphorage at Sep 22, 2022, 6:38:22 PM

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Just confirming that this is still an issue with latest Adrenaline driver (22.9.1) released yesterday (2022-09-21)

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-22-9-1

Does anyone know the exact crux of the issue so that we can report it directly to AMD?

Posted by Johannes_Angello at Sep 25, 2022, 11:46:40 AM

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I have the same issue with:

GPU - AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT - PrimÃ¤r/Diskret
VRAM - 8176 MB - GDDR6 2000 MHz
Treiberversion - 22.20.19.11-220915a-383673E-AMD-Software-Adrenalin-Edition
AMD Windows-Treiberversion - 31.0.12019.11001
Direct3D-API-Version - 12.1
Vulkanâ„¢ API Version - 1.3.217
OpenCLâ„¢ API Version - 2.0
OpenGLÂ® API Version - 4.6
Direct3DÂ® Driver Version - 9.14.10.01523
Vulkanâ„¢ Driver Version - 2.0.233
OpenCLÂ® Driver Version - 31.0.12019.11001
OpenGLÂ® Driver Version - 22.09.1462311
2D-Treiberversion - 8.1.1.1634
2D-Treiberpfad - /REGISTRY/MACHINE/SYSTEM/CurrentControlSet/Control/Class/{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}/0001
UI-Version - 2022.0915.1840.1936
AMD Audio-Treiberversion - 10.0.1.24
Treiberanbieter - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Windows Edition - Windows 10 Core (64 bit)
Windows-Version - 21H2

Im trying to escalte this topic via AMD.
Does anyone have got a solution yet?

Posted by cyphorage at Sep 25, 2022, 2:55:09 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts

Just confirming that this is still an issue with latest Adrenaline driver (22.9.1) released yesterday (2022-09-21)

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-22-9-1

Does anyone know the exact crux of the issue so that we can report it directly to AMD?

I reported this as a bug to AMD directly with their bug reporting tool. Instructions for doing so can be found here: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/amdbrt. I have linked to this thread for further reference along with uploading some relevant screenshots. Hopefully that helps them

Posted by cyphorage at Sep 27, 2022, 10:24:57 PM

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Just updated to 22.9.2 (released today, 2022-09-27) and the issue persists. I will be reporting this bug to AMD again.

Posted by quallemalle at Oct 21, 2022, 2:31:32 PM

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I recently switched my GPU from Nvidia to AMD and also can confirm this bug with 22.10.1 driver :/ Will create a bug report

Posted by coldcomfort at Oct 24, 2022, 4:19:44 PM

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Just happened to me too. I had no issues the other day and made no driver or windows update since (did install a new firewall). Only installed a few sweethome3d plugins the last time, but all worked just fine then.

The 3d view window is grey now when opening the program, with no model. Then loading a model gives those artifacts above, in both the 3d view and planview (objects are all black). And everything is a mess. Tried reinstalling and got the same issues.

AMD Radeon Vega 8 integrated graphics

Posted by Puybaret at Oct 24, 2022, 6:24:37 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Could some of you try Sweet Home 3D executable jar with a recent version of Java 17:
- download Java 17 and install it
- download Sweet Home 3D executable jar
- open a cmd window and run the command:

java --add-opens=java.desktop/sun.awt=ALL-UNNAMED --add-opens=java.desktop/com.apple.eio=ALL-UNNAMED --add-opens=java.desktop/com.apple.eawt=ALL-UNNAMED -jar path\to\SweetHome3D-7.0.2.jar

(to get SweetHome3D-7.0.2.jar file path easily, drag-and-drop the file in the cmd window).
I wonder if it would run better, it could also worth to try the 32 bit version of Sweet Home 3D.
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Posted by coldcomfort at Oct 25, 2022, 11:05:30 AM

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I fixed it by reinstalling my radeon software, with a factory reset. Downgrading to the 22.5.1 version.

Posted by quallemalle at Oct 28, 2022, 3:55:07 PM

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Tried out running the jar with Java 17 as you mentioned but it did not fix the issue :/ (AMD Driver 22.10.3)

Posted by GeoYla at Oct 31, 2022, 7:44:24 PM

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Just ran into this problem as well... so I guess we have to wait for AMD to fix it? Shame.

Posted by Puybaret at Oct 31, 2022, 10:38:57 PM

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Youâ€™re not obliged to wait for AMD good will, just downgrade to version Adrenaline 22.5.1.
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Posted by nerderepso at Nov 7, 2022, 1:01:44 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Same problem here: 6600XT, Adrenalin "pro" 22.Q3, SweetHome 3D v7.0.2

Posted by Emendebal at Nov 9, 2022, 12:15:36 AM

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I can confirm this issue: There are strange black lines in the 3d preview, that seem to be centered around some kind of object outside of the house model. When moving the 3dview, the black lines randomly are disappearing and reappearing, (seems to be bound to the displays refresh rate?), creating kind of like a flicker-effect.

I am on a Radeon RX5600XT, the problem appears with Adrenalin 22.10 and also 22.9. Downgrading to 22.5 indeed solved the problem for me! I will try to report to AMD too.

Posted by attig at Nov 10, 2022, 10:53:49 AM

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Same issue here and on Radeon RX5700XT. However, I don't think this issue is necessarily with AMD.

If you create a new plan from scratch it works ok with the new version of the drivers. However bringing over a file created with the previous drivers causes the artifacts. Can anyone replicate?

Posted by quallemalle at Nov 10, 2022, 7:50:02 PM

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Cannot confirm your findings with newest drivers and new plan.
When I try to drag an asset from the left panel to the center one, it gets displayed greyish and the 3D view is showing artifacts :/

Posted by attig at Nov 11, 2022, 9:24:00 AM

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Thanks for trying. Yes, it turns out when designing the walls from scratch there are no artifacts initially. Then when adding a garage door the artifacts appear.

So it seems some elements are ok, and others aren't. Weird.

Posted by Aadel at Nov 15, 2022, 2:00:53 PM

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Is Sweethome3D supposed to be used by ITs only? I cannot downgrade anything. Can this program be fixed so it works with the current version of Adrenaline (22.8.1 and higher)?

Posted by Keet at Nov 15, 2022, 8:55:02 PM

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Is Sweethome3D supposed to be used by ITs only? I cannot downgrade anything. Can this program be fixed so it works with the current version of Adrenaline (22.8.1 and higher)?

The problem is not Sweethome3D but the AMD driver. As stated a few posts before this, downgrading the driver to 22.5 seems to solve the probem.
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Posted by Puybaret at Dec 16, 2022, 9:42:17 AM

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Even if I don't have a computer to reproduce this bug, I reported it to ADM myself in the hope I could at least get some information about its correction.
They asked to check if Sweet Home 3D is still failing with Adrenaline driver 22.11.2. So, if someone could try it and report how it works, they might try to fix their bug.
Thanks!
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Posted by cyphorage at Dec 16, 2022, 12:39:38 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Just tried it on 22.11.2, still getting the same graphical issue. I tried opening both a known working file and creating a new one. I will submit another bug report to AMD for this version as well.

Posted by quallemalle at Dec 18, 2022, 9:20:17 AM

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I wonder if there is anything we can do to speed this up :)

As far as I can tell Sweet Home 3D is using the JOGL interface to OpenGL. Is there something like a debug mode via executable parameter or logs which might point to a specific error?
Just thinking it would be sweet to provide AMD additional information besides screenshots of artifacts.

Posted by Puybaret at Dec 18, 2022, 4:09:14 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Thanks to cyphorage for your test and to quallemalle for willing to help further.

When I reported this bug to AMD, they asked me to provide dxdiag (in .txt) & msinfo32 (in .NFO) reports from the system which will capture the entire system configuration and drivers installed. If you could do that and send it me (or them), this could help because I donâ€™t own a PC where I can reproduce this issue.

About debugging JOGL, you could run the program by setting the jogl.debug.DebugGL system property, for example by adding the line:

-Djogl.debug.DebugGL

in a SweetHome3D.l4j.ini file stored in the same folder as SweetHome3D.exe. Then, you should run the program from the command line followed by 2>log.txt or maybe 1>log.txt to retrieve trace logs.
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Posted by quallemalle at Dec 23, 2022, 7:00:51 PM

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Ok so here are my findings:

- created the .ini file and put debug parameter in it. Unfortunately this caused the software not to run anymore. Just the splash screen appeared and stayed visible. Had to cancel the Zulu Platform process via task manager.

- removed the .ini file and ran the program with logging to stderr (2>err.txt). Software booted and ran fine, but the err file provided the following:

"
WARNING: An illegal reflective access operation has occurred
WARNING: Illegal reflective access by javax.media.j3d.JoglPipeline (file:/D:/Programme/Sweet%20Home%203D/lib/java3d-1.6/j3dcore.jar) to method sun.awt.AppContext.getAppContext()
WARNING: Please consider reporting this to the maintainers of javax.media.j3d.JoglPipeline
WARNING: Use --illegal-access=warn to enable warnings of further illegal reflective access operations
WARNING: All illegal access operations will be denied in a future release
"

- trace logs (1>trace.log) were empty

- Also tried to play around with /runtime/conf/logging.properties and adding the debug parameter there but that did nothing :)

Would love to get some more debug info, any idea what went wrong?

Posted by Puybaret at Dec 24, 2022, 11:39:33 AM

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Thanks quallemalle for the dxdiag (in .txt) & msinfo32 (in .NFO) reports you sent me. I sent them to AMD.
Sorry for the wrong information about debugging JOGL, I should have tried myself first and would have seen that it doesn't work (it probably requires some modifications in Sweet Home 3D).

To all, AMD told me that they couldn't find any bug report about Sweet Home 3D that many of you sent!? Please be sure to use the form available at https://www.amd.com/en/support/contact-email-form so they can directly communicate with you and get the information that will help them. If you want a message to fill this form faster, you could write something like:

Hi,

I'm xxxx, a user of Sweet Home 3D, a free open source application developed in Java / OpenGL and available at https://www.sweethome3d.com/download.jsp
Since version > 22.5.1, AMD Adrenaline drivers provoke some display bugs in Sweet Home 3D where the OpenGL 3D view doesn't appear correctly anymore (see links at the end of this message). As reinstalling driver version 22.5.1 makes the program 3D view work correctly again, I guess a regression appeared in the more recent versions of AMD Adrenaline drivers. I hope you can fix it soon to avoid me to keep an old driver version installed in my system. Don't hesitate to ask me more details if needed.

Best regard,
xxxx

Bug reports available at:
https://sourceforge.net/p/sweethome3d/bugs/1108/
https://www.sweethome3d.com/support/forum/viewthread_thread,11888

As the form allows to attach some files, you could also send some screenshots showing the differences between a normal and buggy 3D view. Thanks!
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Posted by Blargh at Dec 24, 2022, 7:52:57 PM

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Same here; went from Nvidia to a new AMD 7900 XTX. Image with two walls, a bed, and a beer glass. The objects are causing insane spaghetti geometry.

https://i.imgur.com/2Ky2ako.png

Posted by quallemalle at Dec 26, 2022, 2:47:52 PM

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No issue Puybaret :)
Will use the contact-email-form from AMD to send another bug report . Other OpenGL applications have the same issue according to a quick google search. I hope the users also are reporting their bugs.
Cheers!

Posted by Dekki1 at Dec 31, 2022, 2:13:38 PM

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AMD is lying.

I have submitted about dozen bug reports concerning SweetHome3D with screenshots and detailed description of the issue during last 6 months...Basically one report per new Adrenalin driver version.

Posted by yanagawak at Jan 2, 2023, 4:51:12 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Reinstalled AMD 22.5.1 and problem solved.
Also seems to have improved other aspects of the display, generally. The latest version was having "jitters" and "microscopic blackouts".
Normally I always disable automatic updates for most softwares. But this time I reinstalled my PC and downloaded the latest version.

Posted by yanagawak at Jan 2, 2023, 4:55:50 PM

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Also AMD's installer specifically allows for "downgrade" installation. No need to manually uninstall the previous version. On AMD's driver download page, two versions are provided, without suggestions that the user should install the latest one. It's as if they know that the latest version is going to have issues. They are just putting it out there for mass public beta testing.

Posted by quallemalle at Jan 5, 2023, 5:31:10 PM

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Ok so I went full circle with first level tech support of AMD via mail.
I sent them dxdiag and msinfo32 files as well as followed a lot of troubleshooting steps like updating chipset drivers, cleaning gpu driver via cleaning tool, ...
There is no known issue with OpenGL that they know of they told me. Best suggestion was to use the 22.5.1 driver and wait for future driver releases to fix the issue.
They also told me to file a bug report via Adrenalin Software, which I already did weeks ago. I would suggest you all do the same since first level is not going to get us anywhere.

How to use bug report tool:
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/amdbrt

Posted by Neplechac at Jan 7, 2023, 7:06:47 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Same issue with RX580 v22.11.2 drivers :/
Downgrade works => THX

Posted by Loule at Jan 7, 2023, 4:53:00 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
For anybody that need to use Sweet Home 3D without rollback drivers etc... It seems to be working with te DirectX Version .jnlp that you can download here : http://www.sweethome3d.com/SweetHome3D-DirectX.jnlp
Quick and easy workaround but clearly not a final solution...

Posted by Loule at Jan 7, 2023, 5:13:33 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
After some more tests, i can confirm that another workaround is to reinstall Sweet Home 3D in 32 bits (if in 64 bits actually) and force it to use DirectX using the informations in the documentation/faq meaning in adding this file in the install directory : http://www.sweethome3d.com/SweetHome3D.l4j.ini

Posted by scrabko at Jan 8, 2023, 1:25:33 AM

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i got a problem also. I download previous version of amd driver and program working fine but after i open to play wow it say driver outdated.I also test some other design programs like freecad and work perfect.Dont get me wrong but i think problem is in sh3d.Update this program for other drivers or you can be like those from daz studio who told me to buy nvidia graphic card.

Posted by quallemalle at Jan 8, 2023, 7:26:01 PM

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Wow can confirm. Running on 32bit with forced DirectX renderer fixes the issue. Good find Loule!

Posted by Soulbrother at Jan 14, 2023, 11:43:44 AM

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Same issue with RX560, WIN10.
Driver-Version: 31.0.12027.7000
Dated: 20.Okt.2022

Need to test, if I can find another driver...and how to install it...

Posted by Soulbrother at Jan 14, 2023, 4:58:05 PM

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Need to test, if I can find another driver...and how to install it...

2 other drivers from AMD tested, no success.
Next I did install the 32bit version and saved the config file for using DirectX in the programms-folder.
And now it seem to work again, puhh...

I think I get me a new graphic card, the RX560 is old enough ;-)

Posted by aminor00 at Jan 15, 2023, 8:53:27 PM

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I also have this problem with the latest Adrenalin 23.1.1 drivers. I have a 7900 XTX and unfortunately I cannot revert to the older, working, drivers as they do not support my hardware. So I am stuck.

I should note that I also see corrupt and missing textures in the 2D view as well.

I have successfully got the jnlp and ini file DirectX workarounds to work with the 32 bit version but unfortunately, I cannot render with Yafaray as I get a red cross after a few seconds of loading. It seems only the 64bit version will render my room. I have tried adding -Xmx768m or -Xmx1024m to the ini file but it makes no difference; I still get the red cross with Yafaray. If I increase that number above 1024 then Sweet Home 3D won't load or crashes.

I do not have any trees in my project.

Posted by Soulbrother at Jan 16, 2023, 4:02:54 PM

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Now IÂ´ve got the problem, that I cannot render my big house, because with 32bit version the renderer crashes.

I am really desperate, as I do not know what to do exactly as next logical steps - and not to loose many time with experimenting.... :-(

Posted by aminor00 at Jan 16, 2023, 4:16:43 PM

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Also, I forgot to mention that I have sent a tech support question via the link further up in this thread, using the template text found there.

Posted by Soulbrother at Jan 16, 2023, 4:17:19 PM

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Additional Info:
I just deinstalled the V7 and installed V6.6a (64bit) and opened an older file, that was not created or saved under V7 before.
Same problem with weird lines in the 3D view...

One "simple" question:
Is that bug only with AMD cards, or is it known also with NVIDIA graphics?

In other words: If I install a NVIDIA card, should it work (with V6 and V7 and 64bit installation??)

Posted by aminor00 at Jan 16, 2023, 6:10:17 PM

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Yes, it should be fine. I was using v7 with my old 1080 Ti last month and had very recent drivers, maybe a month old at the time. I didn't see a single problem with the 3D view.

Posted by Soulbrother at Jan 19, 2023, 8:57:15 AM

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I just installed a new RTX3060 and SH3D V6.6 and also V7 are running well again.

Posted by Puybaret at Jan 25, 2023, 10:01:20 PM

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Would you be able to find the version of the driver of your graphics card?
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Posted by aminor00 at Jan 25, 2023, 11:10:43 PM

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For reference of anyone else here with an AMD Radeon 7900 XTX, I've just installed the Adrenalin 23.1.2 drivers that were released yesterday and they have the same problem with the 3D view.

If I uninstall them using the AMD driver cleanup tool, and switch back to the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, then the 3D view in SW3D v7 looks correct again.

I should note that it's not just the 3D view that is broken. All of the textures in the 2D view are also either completely missing or wrong.

I haven't heard anything else from AMD Tech Support after they asked me to do further testing.

Posted by aminor00 at Jan 26, 2023, 11:03:41 AM

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Emmanuel, I assume it's not possible to change the renderer from OpenGL? Or use some different OpenGL .dll file in SH3D?

It looks like AMD rewrote, or massively enhanced, their OpenGL support in the Adrenalin 22.7.1 driver: https://www.geeks3d.com/20220804/amd-radeon-a...-1-opengl-changes-tested/

Is anyone using 22.6.1 and do you have a working 3D View in SH3D?

Posted by Soulbrother at Jan 26, 2023, 11:35:37 AM

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Would you be able to find the version of the driver of your graphics card?

Hi,
before I get the Nvidia 3060, I had tried with 3 different drivers, that I found at the AMD Website, but all of them have been from 2022.

As I needed a fast solution (just working on a huge project) and as I wanted also a more up-to-date graphic card for Adobe software, this 333.- Euro for the 3060 have been a good investment ;-)

...But NOW I also WANT a new and faster Intel i7, as THIS is the "bottleneck" while rendering - and unfortunately this will be much more that a few hundret Euro ;-)
t.b.c.
;-)

Posted by aminor00 at Jan 26, 2023, 2:08:48 PM

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>> Emmanuel, I assume it's not possible to change the renderer from OpenGL? Or use some different OpenGL .dll file in SH3D?

Just to clarify, I meant... "...can we change from one OpenGL renderer to a different OpenGL renderer?"

Or are there any other options we can tweak in the SH3D config files to improve or change the existing OpenGL renderer in SH3D?

I have already tried the DirectX driver and that fixes the issue but requires that I run the 32 bit version of SH3D and that means I cannot render using the faster photorealistic raytracer.

Posted by MarcelCB at Jan 28, 2023, 9:17:07 PM

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I have the same problem.
I just bought the version V7.3 and unfortunately only 3D problems.
I have a strong gaming Pc with a
AMD graphics card RX6700 XT.
I also hope for quick updates from Sweet Home3D so that it runs properly.
Please help

Posted by LR9215 at Feb 7, 2023, 6:54:01 PM

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Hi,

Same issue for me (with AMD RX580) since installation of Adrenalin 22.8.1 (I tried many versions including the last 22.11.2 with the same result). Going back to 22.5.1 is correcting the problem, but this Adrenalin version is really outdated, probably no more supported by AMD, and reported as obsolete by some other applications which may refuse to start (so it's not a workaround for me).

I've sent 2 bug reports to AMD months ago with screen captures and many details on the bug, so when I read that "they couldn't find any bug report about Sweet Home 3D"... AMD is just lying (or the bug report tool is not working).

Some details about the bug :
- The 'weird artifacts' (lines and triangles) in the 3D view seem to have the same origin : the origin point coord (0,0)
- In the 3D view, the walls are correctly displayed but not the other objects (doors, windows...). Also, the background is black, no more light gray
- In the 2D view, objects are no more displayed and are replaced by a strange texture.

I did some research on the web, but haven't see any other issue like this one with AMD, OpenGL and J3D... Really strange. @Puybaret : if I find something, I'll tell you

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 7, 2023, 7:27:31 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Hi,
Letâ€™s try first to find the simplest way to reproduce this bug:
Does it happen when you draw one wall or one room?
Does it happen when you add one piece of furniture?
For the three previous cases, does it change something if you use textures?
Thanks for your help.
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Posted by LR9215 at Feb 7, 2023, 8:14:37 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Ok, so here is what I tried :
- New project (empty) : ok
- 1 wall : ok
- adding some walls : ok
- 1 room : ok
- Adding a door or window : this create a hole in the wall and the artifacts appear.
- Removing the door : artifacts are gone
- Starting a new project (empty) and adding a just one 3D object (a table) : artifacts appear (the table is not displayed in 3D view)
- Starting a new project (empty), adding a wall : ok
- Applying a texture to the wall : ok
- adding a 3D object (a ball) near the wall : the object is not diplayed, the artifacts appear / No change to the wall (correctly displayed, with the texture)

Seems to be realted to 3D objects. Also, in the 2D view, some objects are correctly displayed (the basket ball), but some others (babyfoot table) are replaced by geometric shapes
Hope this will help wink

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 7, 2023, 9:56:14 PM

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Thanks, this could help because 3D models and polylines are not handled as walls, rooms, ground.
Could you check whether it bugs as soon as you show a polyline in the 3D view too?
At the opposite, can you tell me that it works correctly no matter how many walls or rooms you add to the plan?
Thanks again.
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Posted by LR9215 at Feb 7, 2023, 10:57:20 PM

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Creating a polyline is working fine : it appears correctly in 3D view, without any artifact.

I just created a plan with 5 rooms (17 walls) -> no artifact
But... I've added another room, still ok, and then another one : artifacts appeared on the ground. It's different from the other artifacts which are going in all 3D directions (x,y,z) : these ones are only on (x,y) plan.
Moving the room (the floor, without the walls) outside of the 'house' will make the artifacts disappear...

I can send you some screenshots if needed.

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 7, 2023, 11:40:35 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
These artifacts are probably due to superimposed surfaces, which may happen sometimes.
They must happen with driver 22.5.1 too.
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Posted by Puybaret at Feb 8, 2023, 9:11:52 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Could some of you try the version 7.0.2e [link removed] ?
It creates furniture 3D models using parameters similar to the ones used for walls and rooms, and maybe it could fix the issue in recent Adrenaline driver versions.
Thanks!

[Update: I removed the version 7.0.2e from downloads since it didn't permit any progress. See following messages]
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Posted by aminor00 at Feb 8, 2023, 10:07:00 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
7.0.2e has the same problem I'm afraid.

I'm on Adrenalin 23.1.2 and using the "userGuideExample.sh3d" file from your website.

I can't downgrade to a working driver as they don't support my GPU.

Here are some samples of what I see:

2D/3D View working after AMD Driver Cleanup - using Microsoft Basic Display Adapter Driver:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6d6srt3lsxnug6/1%2...Adapter%20Driver.jpg?dl=0

2D/3D View not working after install of AMD Adrenalin 23.1.1 Driver:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dh752dt4viihvgl/2%2...023.1.1%20Driver.jpg?dl=0

2D/3D View not working after install of AMD Adrenalin 23.1.2 Driver and SW3D 7.0.2e:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0f1z6uc49tytngj/SW3...02D%20corruption.jpg?dl=0

Posted by LR9215 at Feb 8, 2023, 11:25:45 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Sorry to say that I also have the same problem with 7.0.2e...

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 8, 2023, 11:35:56 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Thanks for your tests. So sad that my idea didnâ€™t lead to a working solution crying

As always, itâ€™s much more difficult to fix a bug that I donâ€™t have the means to reproduce.
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Posted by LR9215 at Feb 9, 2023, 12:21:29 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
I've found 2 posts describing rendering issues since Adrenalin 22.7 (not the same as for SH3D). Seems to impact many applications... All this just to speed up Minecraft !

https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software...m-p/545521/highlight/true
https://github.com/solvespace/solvespace/issues/1278
(I think the 2nd link has more interest)

Posted by aminor00 at Feb 9, 2023, 12:21:59 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Thanks for those links. I found it interesting that for Blender users they could "fix" the problem by changing MSAA settings.

I tried the settings listed here (which appear to be the default settings anyway), and tried "resetting" the settings, but it made no difference at all.

https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/issues/100096#issuecomment-113152

I've also tried various different combinations of all the settings in the antialiasing area of the driver config, and I've added a custom profile just for SH3D. No luck the graphics are still broken.

Posted by romelitzs at Feb 9, 2023, 12:45:23 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
I have the exact problem. I use AMD with Adrenaline driver 22.8.2, and it cannot show the 3D window. Hope AMD fix it soon

Posted by HelonMead at Feb 14, 2023, 8:23:00 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Hello dear Sweet Home 3D users.

I started using the app 2 months ago, and I loved it so far. After learning the basics, I started designing our possible new house, but my previous PC configuration was pretty poor for 3D viewing and rendering. So, last week I upgraded my PC to an AMD Radeon 6600XT/Ryzen 5700X configuration and also added 32 Gbyte Ram.

Now I'm just really sorry that I didn't run into this thread earlier. I had the same problem as many others here. With the new AMD Adrenalin drivers, neither the 2d nor 3d view works properly. The final render runs fine though. Perceived problems and renderings are available in the link bellow:

https://imgur.com/a/pNTVVVr

Work in progress renderings

Unfortunately, I can't switch back to previous working driver versions, as there are other applications that won't run with outdated drivers, and running 32 bit applications is not an option, as I had to switch to 64 bit in December because low memory problems with the actual project size.

I have read that Emmanuel Puybaret does not have the right configuration for testing and several people here have also hit a wall with AMD support, so the solution to the problem and the timeframe is completely uncertain.

At the moment I'm completely stuck and can't move forward with my project. If the situation persists for months, I would be forced to find an alternative program or replace the 6600XT with an Nvidia RTX 3600, which I really don't want to do.

I'm wondering if some kind of crowd funding could be a solution. i.e.: could we pool the money for Emmanuel to buy let say a used 6500 XT card, which is around 130-150 Euro second hand, so he could test the cause of the problem and possibly find a solution? If there are 15 of us and we only put in 10 Euros each, we would transfer the money to Emmanuel to buy a card second hand.

I hope, we will see a quick solution.

All the best,

MH

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 14, 2023, 9:01:19 AM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
@HelonMead, it's a very nice proposal but I don't even have any PC box to welcome such a graphics card! My only PC is a Microsoft Surface and my main computer is an iMac.
And reading the links posted by aminor00 and LR9215 doesn't give me that much hope that it's an easy fix. Anyway, if I could try it myself, it would be nice. Would anyone here be ok to let me run some tests on their own PC with TeamViewer? I don't think I need admin rights and a new blank user account would be probably enough.
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Posted by aminor00 at Feb 14, 2023, 12:26:23 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts

@HelonMead, it's a very nice proposal but I don't even have any PC box to welcome such a graphics card! My only PC is a Microsoft Surface and my main computer is an iMac.
And reading the links posted by aminor00 and LR9215 doesn't give me that much hope that it's an easy fix. Anyway, if I could try it myself, it would be nice. Would anyone here be ok to let me run some tests on their own PC with TeamViewer? I don't think I need admin rights and a new blank user account would be probably enough.

Yes, I'd be happy to help with that.

I've no idea how to private message you though. Can you email me at andrew dot minor at gmail dot com?

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 14, 2023, 1:25:20 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Actually, I sent you a mail last week, but it probably ended in your spams. Can you check?
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Posted by aminor00 at Feb 14, 2023, 2:21:30 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
Oh! Sorry, I didn't see that.

Can you resend last weeks email please?

Posted by aminor00 at Feb 17, 2023, 5:01:10 PM

Re: Weird 3D Artifacts
I have just installed the very latest AMD Adrenalin 23.2.1 drivers which now support the older Radeon cards, and the new 7900 series.

Unfortunately, these drivers do not fix the problem.

The change notes for this driver make no mention of any changes to OpenGL so it is not a surprise that they do not fix the problem with SH3D :-(

Posted by tom2440 at Feb 18, 2023, 9:58:02 AM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
bonjour, j'ai le mÃªme problÃ¨me avec la derniÃ¨re version 23.2.1, j'ai envoyÃ© un rapport d'erreur...

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 20, 2023, 1:25:01 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Thanks to the remote tests that I made with aminor00 and the interesting screenshots and comments sent by LR9215, I found where the bug comes from in OpenGL AMD driver, and even better, how to fix it without waiting for AMD correction.
Please, use the version ~~7.0.2h~~, ~~7.0.2i~~, 7.1 and confirm it works for you.

[Edit: Sweet Home 3D 3D 7.1 was released on 3/3/2023]
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Posted by HelonMead at Feb 20, 2023, 3:01:43 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
What a great news!

I quickly downloaded and tested the new version. All previous bugs and glitches are gone and SH3D is working again with the latest 23.2.1 AMD driver.

https://imgur.com/a/VxbKxRU

The only thing I noticed is that when I move around in the 3D section, random full screen stutters appear every few seconds, but as I'm a new Radeon GPU owner, I have no basis for comparison.
In any case, this doesn't effect usability.

Thanks a lot for the quick troubleshooting. applause

Posted by Puybaret at Feb 20, 2023, 3:17:35 PM

The version ~~7.0.2i~~ 7.1 fixes this issue.
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Posted by fooxeh at Feb 20, 2023, 4:12:33 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
I have not tested anything for quite some time and just saw this pop up.

Installed the 64 bit version of the 7.0.2.i that you linked up here.

And my old 3D files seem to all work fine again, even with the 22.11.2 AMD drivers!!! This is great :)

Posted by LR9215 at Feb 20, 2023, 4:38:33 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Hello,

As already said to Emmanuel, this new version is working fine for me too, with both Adrenalin 22.11.2 and 23.2.1.

I didn't notice the 'full screen stutters' described by HelonMead on my side (even when moving in the 3D view, or moving objects in the 2D view)

applause

Great job

Posted by aminor00 at Feb 20, 2023, 6:20:28 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Thanks Emmanuel!

7.0.2i also works for me with my own files and the demos.

I did notice some small "stutters" and strange white shadowing effect in the 3D View but I discovered I had left the "Overdrive" setting on "Extreme" on my gaming monitor. When I switched Overdrive back to "Normal" the shadowing went away, and the stutters seem to be much less. 3D view now doesn't seem much different from when I had a 1080Ti.

HelonMead have you got a monitor with that feature? Can you set overdrive to "Normal" or "Off"?

Otherwise I suggest you try uninstalling the AMD Adrenalin drivers using the AMD Clean Up Utility (https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-601) then re-install the drivers. Does that help remove the stutters?

Posted by PavelN at Feb 22, 2023, 3:10:00 AM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
I think the problem is with the AMD Radeon (TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics, I tried it on another computer with a different video card, it's fine there.
I installed the latest AMD driver but that didn't help.
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Posted by Puybaret at Feb 22, 2023, 3:06:01 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
After some more tests, I discovered that the modifications I made to Java 3D 1.5.2 library to circumvent the bug in ADM driver didn't fix the issue.
But I won't go further to make it work with this library for the following reasons:
- the program change requires to change a DLL for which source code isn't available as far as I know, or to add an old version of JOGL compatible with Java 3D 1.5.2 which would require further testing
- Java 3D 1.5.2 is mainly used by Sweet Home 3D 32 bit where the AMD bug can be avoided by adding the SweetHome3D.l4j.ini to Sweet Home 3D installation folder, or by running Sweet Home 3D installer from the command line with the additional parameters /os.arch=x86 /j3d.version=1.6.2
- I communicated to AMD the origin of the issue which comes from a buggy implementation of glMultTransposeMatrix function. They answered that they will fix this bug in the next release of Adrenalin.

If you didn't follow me, just keep in mind that the fix in Java 3D 1.6.2a library works, and this will avoid to wait for Adrenalin update. Java 3D 1.6.2a library is installed with the version 7.0.2i and the coming version 7.1 for Sweet Home 3D 64 bit.
For Sweet Home 3D 32 bit, use the SweetHome3D.l4j.ini file or the installer additional parameters cited above, or just wait for next release of Adrenalin.

Thanks to all for your patience and your feedback smile

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Posted by quallemalle at Feb 22, 2023, 6:21:15 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Thanks for the community effort of fixing and sharing the information on where the bug was located :)

Posted by Soulbrother at Mar 2, 2023, 8:00:53 AM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Besides the AMD problematic, I will ask to all:
Is there anyone here, who has tested SH3D V7 with the new intel Arc A770 graphic-card (with intel drivers) ??

Posted by Puybaret at Mar 2, 2023, 1:37:12 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
@Soulbrother Did you experience a similar issue with this graphic card?
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Posted by ClementiaDomingos at Mar 3, 2023, 2:32:58 PM

Posted by Puybaret at Mar 3, 2023, 9:10:38 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
The 64 bit version of Sweet Home 3D 7.1 released today should fix this issue.
For the 32 bit version, see previous posts or wait for AMD Adrenalin driver update which should be hopefully published in the coming weeks.
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Posted by HelonMead at Mar 3, 2023, 9:59:43 PM

Posted by LR9215 at Mar 3, 2023, 10:40:03 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Hi !

SH3D 7.1 is working fine on my computer (Win 11 with Adrenalin 23.2.1). Thanks Emmanuel !
By the way, I've also tested Furniture Library Editor 1.31 : the artifacts (that were present in 1.30 version) are gone.

Posted by VonDreyken at Mar 5, 2023, 11:15:22 AM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Hello

It's been a while since I used SweetHome 3D and today i wanted get back to it. I downloaded the latest version on the website and i started working. As soon as i try to use any object/furniture from the library, textures goes crazy... I read this thread, and others.
Here are some details + screen of the glitch :

Sweet home Version 7.1 for Windows
version java 1.8.0_202 - 32 bits
Java 3D : 1.5.2
AMD adrenaline 23.2.2
Win 10 pro - 64bits
Good specs (running all recent games :p)

Here is the screen :
[img]https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2023/0...sweethome3d-bug.png[/img]

Posted by Puybaret at Mar 5, 2023, 4:54:26 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Run the installer again and select 64 bit architecture.
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Posted by VonDreyken at Mar 5, 2023, 5:15:08 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Damn it must be exhausting to say the same thing over and over but i was sure i ran the 64 bits.... anyway, many thanks for your help and patience, sorry for double post..

Posted by lito81 at Mar 11, 2023, 12:38:36 AM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
The issue must be correct by the Sweet Home 3D developers, is not a driver problem because it happends only with this soft. Half of their users are experimenting this problem because de render 3d doesn't work with the new graphic cards tecnologies and software.

Posted by aminor00 at Mar 11, 2023, 10:18:41 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
>> The issue must be correct by the Sweet Home 3D developers, is not a driver problem because it happends only with this soft. Half of their users are experimenting this problem because de render 3d doesn't work with the new graphic cards tecnologies and software.

It *is* a driver problem and has been acknowledged as a bug by AMD who will issue a fix in due course (it is not yet fixed in latest Adrenaline 23.3.1).

However Puybaret, who is the Sweet Home 3D Developer, has found a workaround and has implemented the workaround in the code that was released in Sweet Home 3D 7.1.

Posted by jgree32 at Mar 19, 2023, 5:42:29 PM

Posted by Puybaret at Mar 19, 2023, 6:25:18 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
What Sweet Home 3D About dialog box says?
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Posted by jgree32 at Mar 19, 2023, 6:29:41 PM

Posted by Puybaret at Mar 19, 2023, 8:00:54 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Please share an image showing the wrong 3D view in your case.
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Posted by jgree32 at Mar 24, 2023, 7:07:18 PM

Posted by Puybaret at Mar 24, 2023, 10:11:44 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Upload it on another website and post a link here.
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Posted by treehousenorris2 at Apr 3, 2023, 6:39:08 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Good news, the 3/22/23 driver update with the fix has been published by AMD.
Adrenalin 22.5.1 was before the bug.
Adrenalin 23.3.2 with the bugfix (tried as a manual update) worked for us.

Posted by Puybaret at Apr 3, 2023, 7:17:36 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Hum... I wished it would be true but it's quite strange, Adrenalin 23.3.2 Release Notes don't cite OpenGL or Sweet Home 3D.
As Sweet Home 3D 7.1 64 bit circumvents this bug, did you try with Sweet Home 3D 7.1 32 bit?
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Posted by Puybaret at Apr 25, 2023, 9:41:02 AM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
AMD confirmed that Adrenalin driver 23.3.2 contains the fix for this bug.
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Posted by jacopogio at Feb 16, 2024, 3:52:39 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Had the same problem of strange and black object and black 3D Vision with my AMD Radeon Graphic Card. But I reinstalled my SH3D but I installed it this time in the 64 bits file instead of the 32 and now it is OK.

Posted by davidm361 at Aug 31, 2024, 5:57:37 PM

Re: Objets Ã©tranges en 3D
Alguien que suba un vÃdeo de la soluciÃ³n porfavor... Someone upload a video with the solution. Please

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