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| Posted by johntc at Nov 26, 2023, 4:33:36 PM |
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A learning experience: My new Kitchen Hi All. As a learning experience to tech myself more about SH3 and Blender I decided to model my new kitchen at home after we have renovations done next year. As a challenge I made all the furniture and lighting from scratch to better understand some of the different methods for building texturing and lighting models ( with some small exceptions like the saucepan and rubbish bin, I ran out of patience LOL) So this is my first attempt, its very much a work in progress, models like the barstool and fanlight need a bit of improvement to render more attractively. So this my first proper render, any comments, pointers and suggestions you might have would be most welcome. I don't know how to resize an image in post, but I think you can right click and open it full size in a new tab. Thanks, johntc |
| Posted by sjb007 at Nov 26, 2023, 5:19:45 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen It's a bit hard to see. The linked image is very small. I manually removed the trailing _m from the url, and it got a little bit bigger, but still only 500x281. Is it right to say that you modelled and textured in Blender, and imported into SH3D for layout and rendering? |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 26, 2023, 5:22:48 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Hmmmmmmm, should be a link to Flickr but its only pointing at the thumbnail image. I'll upload it elsewhere and try again |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 26, 2023, 6:27:28 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Hope this works better :) ![]() and yes, I've done all the modelling in blender and SH3 for the wall/room layout lighting and rendering johntc |
| Posted by GaudiGalopin3324 at Nov 26, 2023, 6:47:39 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen A lot of work, so much modeling of objects! If you have planned a white ceiling, then there are some tips to get it. 1. You can use a tool from the library of new fixtures, Invisible Light Panel. you can find it here https://www.sweethome3d.com/support/forum/getattachment?attach=396 . The panel in the size of the entire room should be rotated around the X axis by 180 and directed towards the ceiling. The power should be picked up by a small 2-10%, try on low quality, adjust. The panel should be lowered below the ceiling level by 2-3 cm. The second method can also help. It is necessary to replace the ceiling with a light panel from this library of light, do not turn it over, leave it as it is - down. And assign it a gray color, and give it a large power of about 100%, but it may be less. Also try it first on poor quality, adjust the power. And of course, the third and most correct option is to switch to an innovative light exposure system using Invisible Inward Light Half Sphere. I highly recommend mastering such a system. It can be found in my writings in the next topic)))))) In renderings with a traditional system, there is not enough truthful transmission of lighting from sources in the scene. I.e. there is no direction of light rays from the chandelier, and accordingly there are no falling shadows from objects that should be from the chandelier. And in your picture, too, there is no darkness under the chairs, the table. And this is important for a truthful picture, otherwise it turns out to be untrue. Although this can be called the corporate identity of the program))).But if you don't want to change your skills, the first two tips will also help. Try it, it's interesting. |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 26, 2023, 7:28:18 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Thanks for that, I have made my own light panel sized to the room and facing down at a low light level 3 or percent in the render but hadn't considered using an up light against the ceiling as well! I've seen the inward light sphere mentioned a couple of times but been unable to find a working link to it anywhere. I'd be grateful if you could point me in the right direction. Thanks johntc |
| Posted by GaudiGalopin3324 at Nov 26, 2023, 7:40:52 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen right here https://www.sweethome3d.com/support/forum/viewthread_thread,11886 |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 26, 2023, 8:19:19 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Thanks I shall have a play with these ! johntc |
| Posted by LeonMP_4 at Nov 28, 2023, 10:01:20 AM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen I love your Kitchen ! |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 28, 2023, 1:11:33 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen An updated render, I revised my barstool model added some extra lighting under the Kitchen island and tweaked the lighting of the neon sign model as well as refining the general room lighting. Thanks johntc |
| Posted by VeroniQ at Nov 28, 2023, 2:19:16 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Very nice! |
| Posted by GaudiGalopin3324 at Nov 28, 2023, 5:42:49 PM |
Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchenalready very good! But there is always something to do a little better. I see several important constructive points. Your kitchen now simply has to be comfortable, because it is now so beautiful in the photo). The handles on the upper tier are at such a height that they can hardly be reached by an ordinary person. I believe that you are an exceptional person, but.. As a rule, for convenience, the doors of the upper tier are made with a PUSH-ON mechanism, without handles. But if you decide to do with the handles, then lower them closer to yourself, lower to the edge. Everyone will thank you)). Make a single standard of indentation from the edges so that the handles look thoughtful, not randomly placed (4-5cm). Handles with horns on the edges are the most dangerous for people)) You cling to them all the time with pockets and tear expensive pants. The highest-paid designers never put such handles, they change them to streamlined, without horns. Customers then give them new orders for this, believe me)))). And also, if very seriously)) Try to make a beautiful picture of your kitchen at the third level of quality. In fact, the third level is much more interesting than the fourth. At the third level, reflections in the lacquer coating of facades are more interesting, nuanced reflections are visible there. And at the fourth super-quality level, everything just sparkles and Oh, HORROR, reflections disappear! Try to give the facades an average level of gloss in total with the third level of rendering quality. (if Google gave out abracadabra, it's not my fault)). My advice is to try to achieve a high-quality picture at the previous quality level in order to understand where to move, how to develop yourself. |
| Posted by sjb007 at Nov 28, 2023, 8:22:04 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen OK, I'm going to offer a couple of critical points. Your kitchen cabinet alignments and lines are a little bit all over, giving a noisy, confused impression. However, the most problematic issue I see is the wall hung cabinets over the worktop with the hob. These would never be full depth, as they make using the hob extremely awkward. This image shows what I'm talking about. (That's not SH3D BTW, so don't ask how I got that sort of render )Here I've roughed out lines and stepped back those wall cabinets in outline to give you a suggestion. Even there, there are still some awkward lines that I can't tidy up without making major changes to the kitchen. |
| Posted by Keet at Nov 28, 2023, 9:13:30 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen However, the most problematic issue I see is the wall hung cabinets over the worktop with the hob. These would never be full depth, as they make using the hob extremely awkward. That's not always true. Hoods often come close to the front although still a bit back from the front of the lower cabinets.There are three important reasons why upper cabinets have a depth of about 2/3 of the lower cabinets: 1. You can stand before them without your head touching the upper cabinets. 2. It's easier to avoid hitting open upper doors. 3. You can't reach the back of full depth upper cabinets. Full depth upper cabinets are simply unsafe and uncomfortable to work. ---------------------------------------- Dodecagon.nl 1300+ 3D models, manuals, and projects |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 28, 2023, 9:29:18 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Some good points, I'll have a think about the cabinet alignment. I agree the upper cabinets wouldn't be full depth but I like having them all align into a single vertical plane, the upper cabs just don't fill all the way to the wall. Take the point about handles but they are only there to add interest to the render tbh johntc |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 28, 2023, 10:46:59 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen I couldn't access your Google drive file btw sjb007 but thanks johntc |
| Posted by GaudiGalopin3324 at Nov 29, 2023, 8:35:10 AM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Believe me, I didn't mean to offend you. It's just a fact - as soon as you offer a spectacular multi-day visualization, immediately prepare for the worst. The viewer perceives it as a photograph. And immediately begins to notice the untruth in it. The worse the visualization, the less demands from the viewer. But don't you have a good visualization? So you need to show increased attention to your work together with the viewer. And there are no small things. Even pens become very important. And sjb007 told you right. The most important thing at the hob is to look into the pan and look there. And to do this, you need to bend over and not bump against the edge of the hood or cabinet. So we need to fix it! Make the height of this cabinet a little higher than your height and that's it! You can cook any soup! Now the height of the cabinet above the pan is 155 cm, and you need 175-178 cm (sorry, I don't know your height). If you make a kitchen for yourself, you need to start "living" in a virtual kitchen and cook real fragrant soup constantly. I have drawn your attention so far only to the handles, but the viewer will notice everything else!! For example, a door that opens into another room. She can't open like that with such a loop. It's not true on your visualization, it's visible, it's very annoying, it's infuriating!!))) Study the pendulum-type loops. And if you use a ready-made model where there is untruth - be indignant with the viewer, refuse to use this hack. Make your correct version of the door. And the viewer will say wow! ![]() |
| Posted by GaudiGalopin3324 at Nov 29, 2023, 8:58:04 AM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen and another tip. Take photos the way professional interior photographers do. The camera always stands strictly vertically. In the viewer's settings, this is a head tilt of 0 degrees. This angle is more organized and looks more solid. |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 29, 2023, 9:45:30 AM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen You're right about the door its the wrong way around, I only noticed that later, I'm remodelling the upper cabs and I'll post a new version later johntc |
| Posted by Keet at Nov 29, 2023, 10:09:28 AM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen You're right about the door its the wrong way around, I only noticed that later, I'm remodelling the upper cabs and I'll post a new version later About doors. Something to consider for anyone designing homes from scratch:Just from observations I have determined there seem to be some unwritten rules about the opening direction of doors. Bathrooms: always out, bedrooms: always in, living rooms: always in, exterior doors: always in. No fast and hard rules but overall that's how most doors in a house seem to open. For small bathrooms it's easy: there's often no room for a door to go inside the room. I don't know if this is true but the 'standard' of bathroom doors opening out might relate to condensation that's easier to keep inside the bathroom with the way the door frame is constructed. When in doubt or there's no 'rule' to apply, imagine a fire escape route. Doors should open so they go along with the way out. That gives the least chance on doors being blocked and the easiest way to get past them in an emergency. The exception is the exterior door: it needs to open to the inside so access for emergency services is easier. Is anyone familiar with building regulations concerning the way doors open? Are there real rules for the way they open? ---------------------------------------- Dodecagon.nl 1300+ 3D models, manuals, and projects |
| Posted by GaudiGalopin3324 at Nov 29, 2023, 2:15:40 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen In my experience, there are no special rules for the direction of opening doors inside a house or apartment. There are professional recommendations and logic. For example, it is really better to open the bathroom to the outside. And there is a very important argument to this. If a person becomes ill in a cramped space and falls to the floor, opening the door will be a big problem. For the same reason, saunas and built-in shower cabins are opened to the outside and there are no locks. In other rooms, everything is dictated only by the space itself, the presence of space for an open door leaf. Much more important is the place under the switch)). But the front door is much more difficult. Here, in addition to fire regulations (they are complex and there are no universal rules inside and out), the local mentality strongly influences the opening of the door. In my country (Russia), great importance is attached to the reliability of locking and strength of the entrance door. All these armor plates, 6-8-10-12 bolt locks, anti-detachable pins, locking with the crab system, vandal-proof inserts into locks often reach absurd values. The door often becomes several times stronger than the wall in which it is installed, which is already ridiculous, and no one remembers about easy penetration through the window)). And the most reliable design in this aspect is, of course, with an outward opening, here the door frame takes over part of the load. The door with the opening inside the apartment is held only on the lock crossbars, which is not so reliable. But often the builder of the house coordinates the project exactly according to fire regulations with the opening inside. But our man (!!) is still trying to make the door as strong as possible, even if the walls are made of loose foam concrete. And the agreed project can be re-agreed if there is more than 160cm width in the common corridor and an open door does not prevent other residents of the house from running out of other apartments on the floor and running down the corridor in case of a fire. If less, the fire services prohibit opening outside. About 15 years ago, all houses were built only with an opening to the outside, even in cramped vestibules, now new standards have been introduced, doors are initially coordinated, but in the same conditions you can meet different doors. Bureaucracy is a strong thing. |
| Posted by sjb007 at Nov 29, 2023, 5:15:08 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen @johntc Damn. I should really check my links with an incognito browser before sharing them. 1st pic (should already have worked): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MKPhsJOrvCNQibJ4VlSwkxk1sHSTIw5/view 2nd pic (sharing fixed): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UV75UYmODyLH1OU--o4XFLLhJXibMBeM/view |
| Posted by sjb007 at Nov 29, 2023, 5:45:59 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen @Keet. Rules and regs will be too dependent on location, and the buildings purpose. For example, in the UK if a new build home wants to be certified as suitable for disabled use there are a whole raft of criteria to meet. Here in UK we have a whole section of the planning regs just for that: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ac...dings-approved-document-m I don't think a non-certified bathroom must have a particular direction, but it is considered better to open outward to prevent someone (usually older people) slipping and falling in front of the door and blocking emergency help. This is more a consideration in countries like the UK where typical bathrooms are quite compact. I don't think there is anything other than convention for other doors. The only exception would be if some other regulation made one direction impossible. i.e. a door cannot swing into the area of an stairway landing area. |
| Posted by sjb007 at Nov 29, 2023, 5:49:25 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Ah. GaudiGalopin3324 ninja'd me on the bathroom opening outwards explanation ![]() |
| Posted by Keet at Nov 29, 2023, 7:30:48 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen A very true and serious reason for outward opening bathroom doors! I'm going to check all my projects but I think I already have them all outward opening. Still, a too good reason to make sure I haven't missed one. ---------------------------------------- Dodecagon.nl 1300+ 3D models, manuals, and projects |
| Posted by VeroniQ at Nov 29, 2023, 7:54:01 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen In real life, I know many bathroom doors which open inward! It's quite practical when they open onto a corridor. |
| Posted by sjb007 at Nov 29, 2023, 9:33:49 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen @VeroniQ Sure, me too. I think the outward opening preference is becoming more common as a modern fix to postage sized plots of land where the bathroom (or ensuite) has just about enough open floor space to stand up in. Where an ill person wouldn't so much fall, as slump into a crouched position wedged between the door and the fittings. Another fix for that is pocket/sliding doors. |
| Posted by johntc at Nov 29, 2023, 10:41:03 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen sjb thanks so much for your design! get where you are coming from, the pantry model didn't really fit quite right and I see the lines of the cabs above the hob, I'm going to remodel and try something different. I have to say I only put the door inward because that's how it is right now all my bathrooms have inward doors but it is a very old house lol johntc |
| Posted by Waldemar.Hersacher at Jan 7, 2024, 1:56:38 PM |
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Re: A learning experience: My new Kitchen Just from observations I have determined there seem to be some unwritten rules about the opening direction of doors. Bathrooms: always out, bedrooms: always in, living rooms: always in, exterior doors: always in. No fast and hard rules but overall that's how most doors in a house seem to open. There may be local differences for Germany: Bathrooms / Toilets: normally in, even if you can't open it complete because the washbasin limits it. Exception is if you are building according to DIN 18040 for persons with wheel chairs. In this case you have also to take care of other dimensions. Exterior doors: If it is the door of an apartment then in, if it is the door of a house with several apartments then out. The others are the same in Germany. ---------------------------------------- MSI GP60, Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy, SH3D 7.5 with Photo-video rendering 2.8 |
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