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Posted by MuskatNuss at Nov 29, 2024, 2:46:45 PM
Wishlist: Fast house Creator
Creating your own 3D-Model of a house is difficult, even more If you are only interested in do decoration stuff. Even you get a house as you wish, the next time you have to model something you have forgotten the best workflow.

Please create a Fast house designer.

Ask for basic data every one could get easy

  • internal total dimensions of length, width and height (from floor to ceiling of the floor) of the house (ignoring rooms)
  • count of floors over ground and underground
  • (optional)roof


Auto generate a House based on that

Posted by hansmex at Dec 2, 2024, 10:26:56 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
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Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 2, 2024, 11:56:55 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
Thanks for the link. I already know the Gallery.

The Idea is more to have a fast way to set-up a basic building without furniture but with the correct dimension.
For people that drive by for a solution to design their flat or new house fast, even they do not have a proper knowledge about CAD. If you are able to get some basics fast, people may more motivated to learn more and dig into this.

Posted by Keet at Dec 2, 2024, 12:23:55 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
Sweet Home 3D is already much easier to learn than any CAD program. How difficult is to just draw a few walls? If you can't find something in the Gallery create your own templates by drawing a few basic layouts that you can use to start new houses.
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Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 3, 2024, 9:02:13 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
The Problem was never to draw something.

The Problem on my side was to draw it accurate or change things. If I measure a flat and try to get the measured flat into the sh3d I get problems with drag and drop walls.
Modify a room is also a lot of work, mostly because I'm not able to measure a wall and be sure even If I drag and drop something the given measure is the same.

It is even not possible that Measures stick on a point even I move it.
In that case It is simpler to change a geometry in FreeCAD than in sh3d.

Posted by Keet at Dec 3, 2024, 9:43:06 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
In that case It is simpler to change a geometry in FreeCAD than in sh3d.
Correct. Don't compare Sweet Home 3D with a CAD application. It has a totally different purpose. Sweet Home 3D is first and foremost an interior design program. Over the years many features were added and it now is also a great program to design a house. Don't expect any specific features that a CAD program has, especially not accuracy. The smallest unit is 1mm which is small enough for any building but is pathetic for a CAD program.
You will have to decide for yourself if Sweet Home 3D is the correct software for your purpose. If it is, you will have to learn how it works without expecting that it works the same as a CAD program.
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Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 6, 2024, 12:41:23 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
..And that's the case I ask for a "Fast House Creator" and for the IFC support. I do not ask for modify an import. I ask for use an import properly.

I do not ask for parametric design, I ask for a way to have a fast way to get a house with several floors and without rooms designed.


  • internal total dimensions of length, width and height (from floor to ceiling of the floor) of the house (ignoring rooms)
  • count of floors over ground and underground


With that, there would be a low bar for using the application and user could easy do interior design with a building that looks similar enough, place some room walls and that's it.

Posted by dorin at Dec 6, 2024, 8:04:07 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
Probably is not my job but I'm dump enough:
1.
I do not ask for parametric design

I've tried FreeCAD and it is a pain for me.
Anyway SH3D have some parametric inputs but in other way than FreeCAD.
2.
a fast way to get a house with several floors and without rooms

Please explain me where you've see this in the real life?
Rooms mark the separation between floors. So no rooms no floors. Without rooms your furniture will levitate somewhere if you set some elevation.
3.
and for the IFC support.

I suppose you've also ask imperatively the FreeCAD why they are unable to import correctly sh3d file.
4.
(from floor to ceiling of the floor) of the house (ignoring rooms)

I don't know how it is on your side but in my apartment my ceiling is the bottom of the upper neighborhood room.
5.In SH3D "room" is an 3D object (like a 3D cube) which have in plus a floor thickness.
6.
count of floors over ground and underground

Probably you want to draw instantly a 200 levels skyscraper.
It is possible by modifying Multiplier plugin to suits your needs.

Let's make a deal: you teach me to use FreeCAD, I help you to use SH3D.
We have a deal?
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Posted by Vinci68 at Dec 6, 2024, 9:10:14 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
In your case, it would be wiser to use the Bonsai module for Blender than SH3D.
It would probably meet your requirements better.
For example:
AEC Industry: The Bonsai add-on is designed specifically for the AEC industry, enabling architects, engineers, and construction professionals to create and manage BIMs using IFC.
Collaboration: The add-on facilitates collaboration between stakeholders by providing a common data environment for BIM data exchange and coordination.
Automation: The Bonsai add-on’s scripting capabilities allow users to automate tasks, such as data exchange, model updating, and report generation, streamlining workflows and reducing errors.
Customization: The add-on’s open-source nature and Python-based scripting enable users to customize and extend its functionality to meet specific project requirements.

Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 9, 2024, 8:14:20 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
2.
a fast way to get a house with several floors and without rooms


Please explain me where you've see this in the real life?
Rooms mark the separation between floors. So no rooms no floors. Without rooms your furniture will levitate somewhere if you set some elevation.


I saw this with friends when they were renovating their house. They first tore out all the walls and then had a house with just one room, so to speak. Then they went in and rearranged the rooms to suit their needs.
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For the record:
I'm not a developer, and not a professional for designing houses. I use CAD for designing machines and I use FreeCAD only sometimes for private purposes.
I like the behavior and Idea of sh3D which helped me design my living room.
I try to tell what I think. If you do not think it's valid, then it is as it is.

I ask for IFC because even we, that we only design machines are provided with IFC files, the moment customers need to choose where their machine should be placed. IFC seems every where these days.

Posted by dorin at Dec 9, 2024, 11:04:38 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
@2. I think, now I've understood.
If I have to solve this problem I could use one of two solutions:
S1. Draw the exterior (and the interior structural) walls with their thickness and maximum needed height.
Then add how many levels you want at needed elevation.
Draw necessary rooms (not need to cover the entire level).
S2. Draw a big room as interior limit of building.
Add levels with rooms and furniture (machines).
Then surround it with walls.

For an existing building probably I will use first method.

I'm not a developer, and not a professional for designing houses.
Me either! Moreover, I'm not a programmer either.

About IFC: While have another type of license not GPL probably someone could make a plugin to export/import this kind of file format.
My personal opinion: SH3D was made for peoples like me who don't have many skills or knowledge but want to dream at their home.

So, it appear we don't have a deal crying but we cud remain friends. smile
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When all else fails, read the instructions. Murphy's Law
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Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 9, 2024, 12:09:26 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
FreeCAD use IfcOpenShell. I use IfcConvert from IfcOpenshell to convert customer Files into step files at work.

(On IfcOpenShell Bonsai is also mentioned.)

Posted by dorin at Dec 9, 2024, 9:18:51 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
1. I want to remain friends even we have different opinions.
2. In my country it's a joke question:
"Why simple when it can be complicated?"
3. I've study IfcConverter man. It convert drawings in different 3D object definition (obj, dae, collada, etc).
SH3D export only in obj +mtl but cud import the majority of formats.
4. IfcConverter can export SVG files and the SH3D program can too.
I used this as an intermediary between SH3D and AutoCAD through InkScape which can convert in DWG.
5. SH3D can export as html5 to be viewed in a browser. IfcConverter???
6. I have not noticed the reverse process, from obj (dae, collada etc) to IFC format.
Eg. Export some walls (FreeCAD+BIM) as obj and import it in a new FreeCAD project. It remain "walls" or simple ordinary meshes?
7. My personal opinion:
- make your machines in FreeCAD and export it as objects. It's the best program for this.
- if you need a house for this machines the simplest way is to use SH3D and import the machines as furniture.

Probably you cud explain more precisely what problem you've encountered, what you want to do and some of us will give you some advises.

I(we) willing to help anyone to solve their problems with this software. So, keep asking!
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Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 10, 2024, 8:39:16 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
My Request would fit perfectly with: "Why simple when it can be complicated?"

I still wish the fast house creator where someone could enter inner distance for width, length and height (an user even could measure himself with a rule) and count of levels of his house and get a dummy building where user could start staging.

after entering four values, most user see a building with measures of their property. And could start placing furniture or walls to split a room.

Posted by YGYL at Dec 10, 2024, 8:58:56 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
I'm kind of an experienced user. I've been using Sweet Home 3D for over a decade.
I think the suggestion of “MuskatNuss” is fine. Although I don't usually use it myself, not everyone can draw a room with Sweet Home 3D. Often, they can't even draw the walls, much less the floor or ceiling.
If there was simple parametric modeling, then it would definitely increase the number of users. After all, Sweet Home 3D is all about simplicity.

The kind of people who often have to show their clients schematics of where to place equipment need this feature even more!

Posted by Keet at Dec 10, 2024, 10:08:38 AM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
"Why simple when it can be complicated?"
If you want to just enter the four corners of a room and the number and height of levels that is extremely easy to do.

Save a new empty project and close it. Extract the Home.xml file from the .sh3d file. It will look like this:
<?xml version='1.0'?>
<home version='7400' name='template.sh3d' camera='topCamera' selectedLevel='level-466d6260-f5f6-4552-bdb9-d2c355c39cd6' wallHeight='250.0'>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.CatalogPaneDividerLocation' value='240'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.ColumnWidths' value='231,79,67,43,43'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.ExpandedGroups' value=''/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.FrameHeight' value='844'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.FrameMaximized' value='true'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.FrameWidth' value='1162'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.FrameX' value='0'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.FrameY' value='52'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.MainPaneDividerLocation' value='468'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.PlanPaneDividerLocation' value='522'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.PlanScale' value='0.03607176'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.PlanViewportX' value='0'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.PlanViewportY' value='0'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.ScreenHeight' value='1055'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.SweetHome3D.ScreenWidth' value='1920'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.swing.PhotoPanel.PhotoDialogHeight' value='593'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.swing.PhotoPanel.PhotoDialogWidth' value='424'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.swing.PhotoPanel.PhotoDialogX' value='745'/>
<property name='com.eteks.sweethome3d.swing.PhotoPanel.PhotoDialogY' value='228'/>
<furnitureVisibleProperty name='NAME'/>
<furnitureVisibleProperty name='WIDTH'/>
<furnitureVisibleProperty name='DEPTH'/>
<furnitureVisibleProperty name='HEIGHT'/>
<furnitureVisibleProperty name='VISIBLE'/>
<environment groundColor='FF91634F' skyColor='00CCE4FC' lightColor='00D0D0D0' ceillingLightColor='00D0D0D0' photoWidth='400' photoHeight='228' photoAspectRatio='VIEW_3D_RATIO' photoQuality='2' videoWidth='320' videoAspectRatio='RATIO_4_3' videoQuality='0' videoFrameRate='25'/>
<compass x='-100.0' y='50.0' diameter='100.0' northDirection='0.0' longitude='0.08581202' latitude='0.91367984' timeZone='Europe/Amsterdam' visible='false'/>
<observerCamera attribute='observerCamera' lens='PINHOLE' x='50.0' y='50.0' z='170.0' yaw='5.4977875' pitch='0.19634955' fieldOfView='1.0995575' time='1708344000000'/>
<camera attribute='topCamera' lens='PINHOLE' x='216.28342' y='3069.0542' z='1843.0659' yaw='3.0865703' pitch='0.545' fieldOfView='1.0995575' time='1708333200154'/>
<level id='level-466d6260-f5f6-4552-bdb9-d2c355c39cd6' name='Level 1' elevation='0.0' floorThickness='20.0' height='250.0' elevationIndex='1'/>
</home>

Remove the line with the level and replace it with a place holder, something like "###" or whatever you think looks fancy. Save it and rename the file to "housetemplate.xml".

Create a script that receives the parameters for the 4 room corners, the level height, and the number of levels.
In the script write a memory string or string variable creating the number of level lines according to the parameter for the number of levels and the height parameter. That will create the levels for a home. You will have to calculate the elevations using the level height and floor thickness for each consecutive level. The level id's must be unique for each level but can be as simple as "level-001".

A room definition looks like this:
<room id='room-0f3253ce-86f9-4286-97df-beaae4a53ece' level='level-466d6260-f5f6-4552-bdb9-d2c355c39cd6' ceilingVisible='true' ceilingFlat='true'>
<point x='0.0' y='0.0'/>
<point x='1000.0' y='0.0'/>
<point x='1000.0' y='500.0'/>
<point x='0.0' y='500.0'/>
</room>

For each level add a room definition to the memory string using the room parameters to set the point values.

Open the "housetemplate.xml" file and update the top line: set "selectedLevel" to the id you generated for the first level and set "wallHeight" to the level height parameter value.
Replace the place holder with the content of the memory string and save it as "Home.xml". Zip the Home.xml file with a name of your choice and the extension .sh3d. You can open this in Sweet Home 3D and it will have all the levels and rooms as defined. Save it and the missing "Home" file will be created in the .sh3d file.

Voila, you have your 'house' created with the parameters passed to your script. Since it's basically all file and string manipulation you can use any script or programming language you want.

Personally I think it's pretty useless because very soon a user will want to add more parameters to refine the process. Different level heights, multiple different rooms, add the walls, etc. etc.
That will quickly escalate to something like.... Sweet Home 3D laughing
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Posted by MuskatNuss at Dec 10, 2024, 2:55:47 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
Nice. May I try something with ChatGPT (Im not into a developer).

Personally I think it's pretty useless because very soon a user will want to add more parameters to refine the process...


That sounds like you think it is bad.
If really someone dig into it and add more possibility into that - you found a new contributor to SH3D.

Users like me who - perhaps somewhat annoyingly - advertise an idea that they think is brilliant, I would say, are rather rare.


  • Common user will use this feature to create a one room house to stage e.g. their living room.
  • More interested people build their house, add walls and dig automatically deeper into how a building could be made with SH3D.
  • and the rest will start learning to use the full potential of SH3D

Posted by Keet at Dec 10, 2024, 3:32:36 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
That sounds like you think it is bad.
Not bad, just not something I'm willing to put time and effort in. Maybe a plugin developer is willing to whip up an entry dialog for the parameters and use the Sweet Home 3D functions to generate a basic home. If the intention is to further develop the house you will still need to learn a few basics. If you know these then drawing a room and adding walls is so simple that you do it faster than entering a set of parameter values..
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Posted by dorin at Dec 10, 2024, 7:17:44 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
I'm not really convince I've correct understood (I'm old and dump anyway)
So, being already a YAUP specialist I think I cud do this for you.
1. Dorin's first law: "If you don't like AS IS, DIY."
First Amendment: "If you can't DIY, steal."
Second Amendment: "If you can't DIY or steal, pay."
2. How much do you offer for a personal plugin to do exactly what you explain so far? What about for some updated versions?
3. I like open source, but I don't like doing useless work for free. But I can do it for money.
4. Before making a decision, you should look at this tread .
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A computer program does what you tell it to do, not what you want it to do. Murphy's Law
When all else fails, read the instructions. Murphy's Law
If you don't like "AS IS", DIY. Dorin's law

Posted by Keet at Dec 10, 2024, 7:54:22 PM
Re: Wishlist: Fast house Creator
@dorin
From what I understand MuskatNuss wants a window where he can enter 4 x,y pairs for the corners of a room, a number of levels, and the height for the levels. Those numbers then should generate a project with those levels and a room with the given coordinates on each level.

@MuskatNuss
dorin created another plugin that might take you partway: the regular room plugin. Select 4 sides and give a side length and coordinates for the center of the room. It will create a square room at the given position. Not exactly what you want but better than nothing. Copy/paste the room to extra levels.
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